Chris sits down with Brad Wilcox who is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Virginia and Director of the National Marriage Project. They discuss why some people naturally happier than others? Whether it's genetics, upbringing, or life circumstances, how can one finally rediscover joy and feel like your true self again? They discuss why young liberal women are so unhappy and why in contrast, conservative women are happier. Another topic covered in detailed is whether or not finding your one true soulmate is actually a myth and if people should have a more realistic expectation. Also, covered is the fall of boys and rise of girls and how boys can get back on track.
The Soulmate Myth and "Eat Pray Love"
Wilcox begins by critiquing Liz Gilbert’s Eat Pray Love, arguing it promotes a "soulmate myth" where relationships are based on finding a perfect emotional connection that will complete us and provide endless fulfillment. He notes the book’s appeal, especially among women, with its storybook romance in Bali, where Gilbert meets a seemingly perfect man who is feminist, a great cook, and lover. However, as is often the case, fiction is…fiction. Wilcox points out that Gilbert’s real-life relationships have been extremely unstable, as she left the man in the book after10 years for another soulmate, and later pivoted to a woman for five years (who passed away), dated the woman’s best friend, and recently announced at age 55 she is happily single. This, he argues, exemplifies the pitfalls of basing love solely on feelings. Sounds strange (maybe to some)- but maybe we’ve all been lying to ourselves about these Hollywood romances. He advocates a more grounded approach, suggesting that prioritizing commitment over emotional highs could lead to more stable relationships, and society.
Building a Foundation for a Happy Marriage
Wilcox advocates for shifting the foundation of marriage from feelings to a commitment to the good of the other and a family-first approach. Drawing on St. Thomas Aquinas, he describes love as "pursuing the good of the other," emphasizing that marriage should focus on the spouse’s and family’s well-being rather than seeking personal happiness (maybe some balance here would be in order). This family-first perspective, he argues, provides stability by emphasizing solidarity, financial foundations, and the needs of children. He notes that when conflicts arise or romance fades, couples with this approach are less likely to falter because they recognize marriage involves multiple dimensions, such as financial stability and child-rearing, beyond just emotional connection. This contrasts with the "Liz Gilbert approach," which he sees as putting relationships on shaky ground, especially given the high divorce rates associated with “feeling-based” marriages. It’s easy to disagree with the absolutes in these premises, but there is no doubt that commitment beyond whims will drive longevity more than just “feelings”. Still some need to hear it.
Happiness Studies: Conservatives vs. Liberals
A significant focus is on research showing conservative women, particularly aged 18-40, report higher happiness. Wilcox cites the 2024 American Family Survey, revealing 37% of conservative women are "completely satisfied" with their lives, compared to 12% of liberal women and 28% of moderates. This "happiness gap" is attributed to conservatives being more likely to be married (55% vs. 35% for liberals) and to attend religious services regularly, which fosters community ties. Wilcox argues this contrasts with liberals’ focus on individualism and progressive values, which may lead to loneliness (29% of liberal women report loneliness multiple times a week vs. 11% for conservatives). He notes this gap extends to men, with conservatives aged 18-55 being 60% more likely to be "very happy," partly due to marriage and faith, as supported by studies like those from the Institute for Family Studies.
The Importance of Marriage and Family
Wilcox emphasizes marriage and family as crucial for happiness, noting conservatives are more likely to be happily married, contributing to their life satisfaction. He highlights data showing children from intact, married households are more likely to graduate college and less likely to end up in prison, with a striking statistic that boys raised outside intact families are more likely to land in jail than graduate college. Wilcox argues that a commitment to marriage as a lifelong partnership, prioritizing family needs, benefits both adults and children, with research showing married men earn 26% more than their unmarried identical twins. We’ve seen a lot of this information before in other places. One key point is…these men NEED to make more money to support the family, so there’s a bit more to read into these statistics, perhaps, than Wilcox explains.
The Impact of Technology on Relationships
Wilcox expresses concern about technology’s impact, noting AI and social media may reduce face-to-face interactions, potentially leading to fewer marriages and lower birth rates. We’ve been seeing this since online dating began, really. He observes that people are spending more time on screens, which could hinder socializing, dating, and family formation; you don’t have to look far to see the global decline in fertility rates. He argues that all this screen-time will have long-term societal implications, such as weaker community ties and increased loneliness. There is nothing really to disagree with here.
Mimetic Nature of Marriage and Family Life
Wilcox introduces the concept of mimetic behavior, explaining marriage, divorce, and family formation are contagious within social networks. Research, such as Nicholas Christakis’s work at Yale, shows if your friends or family get married or divorced, you’re more likely to follow suit. This is yet another classic example of how friends and people you surround yourself with can impact you decisions - definitely interesting, however, when thinking about it from a family planning perspective.
Gender Dynamics in Education and the Workforce
Chris and Wilcox discuss how boys and men are falling behind in education. Wilcox notes that girls outperform boys from primary school through higher education. It’s projected that two women will complete a full-year US college degree for every man by 2030. This trend, he argues, contributes to men’s struggles in the workforce, where women are increasingly out-earning them in certain age groups, among college-educated workers. The proportion of young men not in college, employed, or in vocational training has increased by 40% since the pandemic, compared to 7% for women. So, he calls for primary educational reforms, such as more recess and engaging curricula, to support boys, recognizing this imbalance affects relationship prospects, as women often seek equally or more successful partners.
The Role of Men in Society
Wilcox discusses the need for a positive vision of masculinity, noting women still value men as providers and protectors, even in modern relationships. Research shows women in marriages where husbands are better providers and protective are happier. However, Wilcox also emphasizes men need to be attentive and involved, balancing traditional roles with modern expectations, such as emotional and practical support in family life. Basically, men need to be more rounded and hold on to provider and protector roles while being more involved in the home and kids and empathetic orientation women are looking for. This isn’t going to be done by villifying boys though, we need some new ideas on how to speak to boys or we are just going to end up with a bunch of unmarried, aggrieved kids. The current education system and woke approach is doing these boys a grave disservice, it seems.
Stay-at-Home Dads: A Viable Option?
The conversation explores whether stay-at-home dads are feasible, with Wilcox noting some families succeed, but data shows it’s less common in stable, upper-middle-class households. Women report lower marital satisfaction when husbands are stay-at-home dads, and divorce risk increases 33% when men lose jobs, compared to no effect when women do. Wilcox suggests this reflects persistent associations of breadwinning with masculinity, with female breadwinner households more common in working-class and poor communities. Again, the modern situation for men is…complex.
Political Implications of Cultural Shifts
Wilcox connects cultural and economic trends to politics, noting young men, feeling disenfranchised, are drawn to conservative or anti-feminist ideologies, as seen in recent elections. For example, Trump gained 56% of young men’s votes compared to 58% for Harris, with black and Latino men also supporting him, reflecting dissatisfaction with economic and educational trends. Wilcox suggests this shift, like to South Korea’s recent election where young men turned right, shows men gravitating toward leaders offering macho, male-focused messages. The key is to point them away from the Andrew Tate’s while enabling to restore some dignity.
PodLand’s Take
Wilcox challenges the romanticized "soulmate myth"which prioritizes fleeting emotional highs over the deeper commitment needed for lasting partnerships. Instead, it advocates for a family-first approach, emphasizing mutual well-being and dedication as the true bedrock of marriage. He believes (and some research indicates) marriage and family could be more valuable for happiness and stability. This is no doubt true, but we think that evolving gender roles, media driven expectations, and a cultural move to narcissistic behavior all further complicate the issue. Somewhere missing in Wilcox’s POV and the “soulmate myth” is a balance not easily found.