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Joe Rogan chats with Hal Puthoff, a physicist with a remarkable career that spans laser research, remote viewing, and the study of UFOs. Hal Puthoff is a physicist researching energy generation, space propulsion, and other related topics. He is the president and CEO of EarthTech International, Inc., and director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin. Previously he worked studied remote viewing at the Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Joe and Hal cover his unique background, the strange world of remote viewing, evidence of UFOs and non-human intelligence, the physics that might explain these mysteries, and the tricky path toward revealing these secrets to the public.

Hal Puthoff's Background and Career

Hal Puthoff started out as a physicist working on lasers at SRI, but his career took a wild turn when he met Ingo Swann, a guy who claimed he could see things with his mind that he shouldn’t be able to. OK, at this point, we were interested despite (and we will get this out of the way early - this guy is boring as watching paint dry AND he has some kind of nasal issue. Tough). Anyway, this chance encounter sparked Puthoff’s interest in remote viewing, and he ran some experiments that got the CIA’s attention. Naturally, they approached him and funded a secret program that lasted over 20 years, exploring whether people could use their minds to spy on far off lands. This really happened.

Remote Viewing and Its Implications

So, what is remote viewing exactly? Remote viewing is this practice where people try to picture or describe places and things they’ve never seen, just using their minds. Puthoff worked with folks like Pat Price and Ingo Swann at SRI, and they pulled off some jaw-dropping stuff (if true)—like Price sketching a secret Soviet base that turned out to be spot-on when satellites checked it out later. The CIA naturally thought this might be useful for spying. Proving it works was (and is, we think) still is another matter. Puthoff himself admits that it is difficult to replicate across people, but he’s convinced there’s something real here worth digging into, even if it’s controversial. Our question is…you’ve been testing this for decades - a little more decisiveness or answers should be in order after that much time.

UFOs and Non-Human Intelligence (NHI)

When it comes to UFOs, Puthoff’s is a believer; the question is…what do we know, not know and what is realistic? Initially, he was brought into a government think-tank to discuss the “theoretical” scenario where the US, China and Russia found a space craft. The challenge was - what would the public reaction be. This was during the George W. Bush administration. He goes onto talk about crashed UFOs, like Roswell and others, and believes that materials from these wrecks have been tested by labs and have developed tools and materials we can’t make ourselves—like metals. He believes this points to non-human intelligence, but he’s frustrated because the info continues to remain classified by the government AND private companies. Puthoff’s all for letting the public know more, pointing to things like the UAP Disclosure Act, but he understands why it’s a slow process.

Physics and Engineering Related to UFO Phenomena

Puthoff delves into the nuance of how UFOs might work, and it really is straight out of a science fiction movie. He says these crafts could bend space and time, using ideas from Einstein’s theories and some quantum physics tricks. He’s studied things like zero-point energy and even a crazy idea called the Alcubierre warp drive, which could let you zip around faster than light if we had the power for it (we don’t—yet). Puthoff’s written a plethora of papers on this, dreaming up ways we might one day build our own ships using this technology. One redeeming quality is that Puthoff admits this is far out subject matter, but he makes it clear that there is real science behind the wild stories.

Disclosure Challenges and Future Directions

Talking about letting the world in on UFO secrets, Puthoff sees a tug-of-war between curiosity and caution. People want answers, and Congress is pushing with legislation like the UAP Disclosure Act of 2024, but there’s a catch—too much info is hidden in secret compartments, and there’s worry about geopolitical enemies getting an edge if we over-disclose. Still, Puthoff’s optimistic about disclosure longer term. He would bet that we’ll get some real answers in the next 10 years as more people demand the truth.

PODLAND’s FINAL TAKE

Hal Puthoff’s chat with Joe Rogan is a rollercoaster through some of the weirdest corners of science—from mind-powered spying to UFOs that defy physics as we know it. That said, you’ve got to be patient with this one. As mentioned earlier, Puthoff is a little tough to listen to with his nasal clearing, flat delivery and far-out stories. BUT,if you can make through that, this is a fun sci-fi ride if that’s your thing. His stories challenge what we think is possible. The push for disclosure might be messy and slow, but Puthoff’s take leaves you wondering what’s really out there and how close we are to figuring it out. The problem is…its one of those Rogan podcasts where you don’t know what to believe…other than I think you can be confident the US has and is looking into all of these areas…closely.

THE PODSCORE 3 (out of 5) MICS

Joe Rogan welcomes back Jordan Peterson and its a winner. They hit on several key themes effortlessly all the while dancing around the hot topic of Dave Smith and Douglas Murray’s recent debate on Joe’s show. Peterson weaves in and out of biblical stories to warn of psychopaths, to address the awfully named “woke right”, and to press for further cleansing of institutions that are morally (or otherwise) compromised. While hitting on some of his old themes (clean your room), Peterson introduced new ideas (or at least recast) in psychology without spending too much time mired in the political or most recent current events. There was the issue of Murray and Smith and Isreal and “guard-railing”, but Peterson avoided a clear stance on the issue, but rather warned that all of it is an issue. It was a fascinating discussion intent reframing the elephant in the room and moving on.

The Dangers of Distraction and Indecision

A significant portion of the conversation addresses the modern epidemic of distraction, particularly among young people. Rogan and Peterson discuss how video games and social media can lead to prolonged indecision, causing individuals to stagnate. Peterson shares insights from his clinical practice, where he observed clients paralyzed by uncertainty, waiting for perfect clarity before acting. He advocates for implementing a “bad plan” over inaction, as even flawed action provides feedback for improvement. It’s too easy to get distracted today due partly to algorithms optimized for short-term attention, which prioritize hedonism over long-term goals (Peterson’s favorite song). They emphasizes the importance of discipline and proactive decision-making in a world designed to capture attention and delay meaningful action. Peterson and Rogan are setting up the rest of the conversation by inviting younger people to act to create the ideal, not to plan until you realize the ideal. Tyranny and psychopaths lurk around the corners to come, not matter what.

The Importance of Play as an Antidote to Tyranny

Peterson declares that play as the psychological and social opposite of tyranny. We’ve heard him talk about “play”, but this is the first time he’s placed it directly opposite tyranny. Drawing on developmental psychology, he explains that play requires voluntary participation and a safe, structured environment—a “walled garden”—where individuals can engage freely. This is the opposite of tyranny, which relies on force and fear, play fosters cooperation and creativity, forming the basis of community. Peterson applies this to his marriage, noting how he and his wife consciously aim for playful interactions, and to his podcast appearance. This perspective reframes maturity not as a loss of joy but as an opportunity for sophisticated, disciplined play with higher rewards. By contrasting play with coercive control, they highlight its role in building resilient relationships…and society.

The Transformative Power of Love and Commitment

The discussion on relationships, particularly marriage, reveals the profound impact of love and commitment and reminds us that these guys generally push “positive” ideas - contrary to the belief of whatever is left of those old uninformed Peterson critics. Rogan shares his personal experience, explaining how his love for his wife and the responsibility of raising their child solidified his commitment to marriage. He emphasizes the joy of scheduled “date nights,” which maintain their connection amidst busy lives. Peterson reinforces this, noting that religious married couples often report the highest sexual satisfaction, countering cultural assumptions about freedom and hedonism. They explore the sacrifices required in monogamy, acknowledging the fear of entrapment in toxic relationships, as illustrated by Rogan’s anecdotes about friends’ divorces. They argue that choosing a partner for compatibility and mutual enjoyment, rather than superficial traits - likes looks is the (obvious) better way to go.

The Psychological Dynamics of Reputation and Status

They get into the pursuit of reputation, distinguishing between earned, authentic status and manipulated, unearned status. Peterson explains that genuine reputation, built through honest quests for truth (like Rogan’s podcast approach - seeking of truth through open, honest dialog), enhances psychological well-being by increasing serotonin and reducing sensitivity to negative emotions. Conversely, psychopathic individuals game the system, seeking status through power plays and false narratives, particularly on social media where anonymity shields them from accountability. Peterson brings up Andrew Tate, who appeal to disaffected young men by offering a path out of rejection and isolation, but warn that such “shadow figures” provide only short term and sadistic ends..and will end up in failure for most. True success, as exemplified by balanced, compassionate champions like George St-Pierre, integrate strength with empathy.

The Threat of Psychopathic Behavior in Society

Somewhere between talking about anti -role models (Tate) and psychopathic behavior, the Douglas Murray / Dave Smith debate came up. Around the time he’s asking Joe how he determines who appears on his podcast, Peterson estimates that 4-5% of the population exhibits Cluster B traits (narcissistic, histrionic, antisocial, or psychopathic), manipulating systems for personal gain. These individuals adopt moral cloaks—whether leftist or right-wing ideologies—to advance their agendas, exploiting empathy or fear. This is Peterson’s (far superior) explanation of the “woke-right” as coined by James Lindsay. Rogan and Peterson cite examples like academic plagiarism, protected by institutional bias, and the dismissal of predatory behavior under the guise of inclusivity. They argue that social media amplifies this by enabling anonymous power games, while wealth accumulation in unguarded institutions (e.g., universities) attracts parasites. Peterson believes is a need for vigilance in identifying and countering such behavior, emphasizing the need for critical thinking and robust gatekeeping to protect societal integrity. So, while Peterson didn’t directly call for guardrails, he asked how Joe approaches who appears on his show. In the wake of the Murray confrontation, this seems like another challenge. We’d call it an inquiry. Obviously, Peterson was motivated to ask due to the dust up with Smith and Murray and Rogan, but in the context of the three hour conversation and due the high visibility of the Murray discussion, it was warranted. Additionally, his take on psychopaths and how they migrate to power is a fair warning. Listeners would be ill advised to lump Peterson in with Murray and in trying to suggest Peterson is vying for censorship or dampening of freedom of speech. He is not. Psychopathic personalities and their migration to power / opportunity would come over and over during the chat.

The Spiritual Significance of Sacrifice and Adventure

Peterson tells several biblical stories throughout the discussion, particularly the stories of Abraham, Moses, and Cain and Abel, to illustrate the spiritual importance of sacrifice and adventure. Peterson interprets Abraham’s covenant as a call to leave comfort for a transformative journey, promising personal fulfillment, lasting reputation, and communal abundance. Moses’ story highlights the temptation of power versus the necessity of invitation. Peterson distinguishes tyranny from community in part by looking at the dynamics of invitation versus coercion. The Cain and Abel narrative contrasts voluntary self-sacrifice (Abel’s best offering) with resentment and mediocrity (Cain’s rejection), positioning sacrifice as the foundation of a stable community. These stories frame life as a quest requiring courage and faith, with Christ’s ultimate sacrifice as the model example for how to think about life.

Conclusion

The online debate over this issue is stupid. Peterson is NOT angling for censorship. He is NOT solely interested in Israel. Sure, he works for Daily Wire but the dialog on this episode was much wider ranging than just that. Peterson has been talking about dark-triads and psychopaths for YEARS prior to this episode, or Douglass Murray’s appearance, or October 7th for that matter. The episode is filled good stories, congenial, thoughtful conversation, appropriate biblical stories, critique of wokism and universities and much more. The fact that this conversation is getting boiled down to a referendum on the Douglas Murray discussion is sad. Also, and as importantly, Peterson is saying nothing like Murray was stating. Peterson asked a question. A single question. You can watch this episode more than once, while there is no reason to ever watch the Douglas Murray episode again. Watch and enjoy, after some sleepy or weirdly angry appearances in different places, Peterson returns to form.

THE PODSCORE: 5 (out of 5)

Rogan brings together comedian and political commentator Dave Smith and author and journalist Douglas Murray—for a heated and thought-provoking discussion focused primarily on Israel & Hamas while also hitting on the role of podcasters, Churchill and Ukraine. This really is a clash of perspectives, Murray defends traditional expertise and Western policies with a firm grip on historical narratives, while Smith questions authority and interventionism through a skeptical, libertarian lens. It’s not just a debate about facts—it’s about who gets to talk about them and how we should think about the messy world we live in.

Expertise and Authority

One of the big sticking points in this podcast is who’s allowed to weigh in on complicated topicslike history and geopolitics. Douglas Murray really (almost shockingly so) comes out swinging non-experts indirectly but directly talking to Rogan. It was fairly uncomfortable but Murray’s well known whit and grace allows him to tip toe through the landmine by effectively telling Rogan to allow non-experts on, but to counter them with experts. It was really some tricky territory; there were moments where it looked like Rogan was confused or going to jump out of his chair and beat Murray to death. Specifically Murry name-drops folks like Daryl Cooper and Ian Carol, arguing they’re pushing shaky ideas without the chops to back them up, like claiming Churchill was the bad guy in World War II or downplaying Hitler’s anti-Semitism. Murray’s worried this kind of chatter on platforms like Rogan’s show could spread misinformation to millions.

Dave Smith fires back, saying everyone’s got a right to speak, especially when the “experts” have screwed up big time—like during COVID-19, when official advice flipped and flopped. He argues that podcasters like Rogan have earned their place by calling out the establishment when it’s wrong. Smith sees this as a win for free speech: let the audience sort out what’s legit. I took this back and forth as almost an America free speech perspective vs. a well-heeled British journalist perspective that focuses first on class and credentials. None-the-less, as the power of podcasters grow, who they have on, and what they say, and how they push back is increasingly important.

Ukraine-Russia Conflict

The Ukraine conflict stood out early in the podcast. Murray sees Russia’s 2022 invasion as indisputable aggression. He points to Putin’s dream of rebuilding the Soviet Union, which Putin has often mentioned. Murray backs Ukraine’s fight to keep its land and shrugs off claims that NATO expansion pushed Russia’s buttons. To him, countries like Georgia and Finland begged to join NATO because they’re scared of Putin, not because the West bullied them into it.

Smith’s take is more cautious. He doesn’t deny Putin’s the aggressor, but he thinks the U.S. and NATO poked the bear with actions like backing Ukraine’s NATO bid and meddling in the 2014 protests that ousted a pro-Russian leader. He’s not saying Russia was right, rather he’s suggesting that the West helped light the fuse. Murray calls that blaming the victim; Smith calls it seeing the bigger picture. It’s a tug-of-war between “Putin’s evil” and “let’s not pretend we’re saints.” This is the Jeffrey Sachs argument.

Israel-Hamas Conflict

The debate gets really intense when they move onto the Israel-Hamas conflict. Murray lays the blame square on Hamas, calling them a terrorist group that sparked the latest war with their brutal October 7, 2023, attack—massacring civilians and taking hostages. He says Israel’s response, bombing Gaza to get the hostages back and wipe out Hamas, is tough but justified. Murray argues Gaza could’ve been a thriving state after Israel pulled out in 2005, but Hamas chose rockets and tunnels over peace, screwing over their own people.

Smith doesn’t defend Hamas—he calls them a death cult too—but he’s got prodound issues with Israel’s playbook. He points to the blockade since 2007, which he says has crushed Gaza’s economy and kept people trapped, making life hell even before the war. Smith argues Israel’s heavy-handed responses like leveling buildings and killing civilians might just breed more radicals and not accomplish Israel’s aim. He questions whether Israel’s response has been proportionate. This was really the crux of the discussion. What we can say though, by watching the conversation, you really do get the sense that Murray doesn’t even feel like he should be lowering himself to have the discussion with Smith. There is one point in the debate where Murray questions Smith on if he has ever been to Gaza (or even the region - Smith hasn’t) and for a good thirty minutes after that, Murray can barely bring himself to talk to him. While Murray’s point was taken, it was pretty off-putting.

The Role of the U.S. in Global Conflicts

Finally, they wrestle with America’s place in the world. Murray says the U.S. isn’t the puppet master people think—look at Syria, where Russia and Iran run the show, or Iraq, where America bailed and Iran swooped in. He’s not denying U.S. mistakes (he admits Iraq was a mess), but he thinks folks overestimate its control. To him, other powers—like Iran’s regime—drive a lot of the chaos.

Smith’s not having it. He sees the U.S. as the primary puppet-master in various conflicts across the middle east, spending trillions and toppling governments—like Iraq and Libya—based on shaky plans from neocons like Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney. He’s mad about the cost: $8 trillion, dead soldiers, and wrecked countries. Smith argues America’s meddling sets off dominoes it can’t stop. Murray warns against conspiracy in an oddly incoherent take. Smith points to documented NeoCon plans and admissions from former top officials with firsthand knowledge of US war aims at the turn of the century, like General Wesley Clark.

Who Won the Debate?

We call it for Smith. Douglas Murray brings a ton of experience and historical heft, making his case for Israel and Ukraine with conviction, but almost that of an old NeoCon, one for whom historical alliances and enemies are seemingly enough for broad justifications. His firsthand accounts and trained journalistic rigor are important, and he really set both Rogan and Smith on their heels early by questioning their rigor, if even indirectly. Still Dave Smith (who we have no special admiration of) was relentless in his skepticism of dogma and in his focus on human costs—like dead kids in Gaza. He’s not as polished, but he’s real, and he forces you to question the powers that be. Additionally, he was able to hold factual discussions with Murray that actually made Murray look defensive and emotional on top of arrogant and somewhat uninterested. We’ve read some Murray books, have covered him and we’ve got to say this was him at his worst. Dismissive, assumptive…arrogant, but still masterfully informed, credible, knowledgable and well-spoken. The vibe was just off - Murray is a guy that debates and goes for the jugular most of the time against other intellectuals, we think he missed his audience here, or maybe this whole things was about him making a point about who should go on Joe Rogan and who shouldn’t. Watch and decide for yourself.

THE PODSCORE: 5 (out 5) MICS

Joe chats with the co-hosts of Triggernometry, Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin. They tackle absurdities in politics, likening politicians to wrestling characters and scrutinizing the loyalty of fans in soccer culture. The discussion traverses the absurdity of contemporary politics, the influence of technology and artificial intelligence (AI), societal tribalism, and the complexities of human nature.

The Absurdity and Theatricality of Modern Life:

This was a pretty broad ranging conversation because folks who are paid to talk for a living across a lot of subject-matter. Early in the episode Rogan and the Trigger Duo openly wonder if we are in a simulation or a poorly written movie. Rogan shared a clip of a stand-up comic, Heather McDonald, where she collapsed on stage while bragging about her double-vaxxed and boosted status from 2022. Rogan jokes that only in simulation could something be so perfectly timed. This idea extends to political figures like Donald Trump, whose survival of an assassination attempt and subsequent rallying cry of “fight, fight, fight” seem too cinematic to be real. The group likens politicians to soap opera characters—Nancy Pelosi as the “giant-tittied lady who wants all the money” or Jasmine Crockett as the “loudmouthed lady down the street”—suggesting that public life has become a performative spectacle. This theme underscores a growing suspicion that reality is being manipulated, whether by a higher power, a simulation, or human actors with ulterior motives, leaving the speakers questioning what is genuine amidst the chaos. Funny, but also…hits close to home.

The Rise of Artificial Intelligence and Its Implications:

At a certain point the trio goes pretty deep into AI, portraying it as both a marvel and a looming threat. Rogan paints a dystopian picture of AI-driven robots replacing human jobs—like truck drivers and supermarket stockers—while evolving into sentient entities capable of policing and judging humanity. The Triggernometry guys amplify this fear, noting AI’s potential to adopt the biases of its programmers, whether “woke” or otherwise, before transcending human control entirely. They speculate that AI could redistribute resources, enforce digital currencies, or even orchestrate humanity’s gradual extinction by lacing food with hormones. The trio gave this very real vibe that AI is destined to be our overlord.

Tribalism and Polarization in Society:

The guys hit on politics throughout but didn’t really go too deep into any particular topic. Generally the commentary was mostly rooted in this idea that political and cultural divisions have turned societies into warring teams. They compare American politics to sports rivalries, like Eagles fans fighting opposing teams, and draw parallels to British football hooliganism, where loyalty overrides reason. The discussion highlights how this tribalism fuels irrational behavior, from paid protesters torching Tesla dealerships to the left’s tolerance of Antifa’s excesses versus the right’s fanaticism on certain issues as well. Francis and Rogan who were both more liberal in the past, bemoan the erosion of a reasonable center, where nuance is sacrificed for team loyalty, and suggest that this polarization is exacerbated by modern day agitators—bots, paid agitators, and media manipulation. Sadly, it all seems designed to deepen societal fractures for hidden agendas.

The Corruption and Inefficiency of Power Structures:

The trio did not mince words while critiquing government inefficiency throught the episdoe. They railed against unchecked spending—like billions wasted on vague initiatives with no accountability—and the failure to modernize systems, such as the U.S. storing retirement records in a mine (still makes us chuckle) or the UK relying on faxes - yes facsimile machines! They question why governments lack secure communication apps, as evidenced by the Signal group blunder, and call out the lack of oversight that enables corruption. The deportation of a Venezuelan barber to an El Salvadoran prison exemplifies how aggressive policies, even with good intentions, can spiral into injustices when due process is ignored. This theme reveals a shared frustration with power structures that prioritize self-preservation over competence, leaving ordinary people vulnerable to their mistakes. This was a very bipartisan theme, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Something to keep in mind, no matter which “team” you are on.

Human Nature and the Struggle for Control:

The conversation delves into the darker aspects of human nature, drawing on Lord of the Rings to illustrate the universal lust for power. Rogan and his guests identify the “Boromir” and “Gollum” within everyone—the desire to wield power for good or hoard it selfishly—evident in politicians, gangsters, and even well-meaning activists. They discuss historical examples like the Nazis’ self-perceived heroism and modern cases of governments silencing dissent, from Iran’s blinding of protesters to Canada’s freezing of bank accounts. This is something that you seemingly only learn as you get older and wiser…we are all capable of extreme charity and grace and sadly, extreme evil. Knowing how to channel the positive selves out of each person is the goal. Politics often does the opposite.

The Search for Authenticity Amid Manipulation:

A pervasive sense of distrust in what’s real also lives throughout the discussion. The question seemingly always is, whats real and what’s manufactured? They cite examples like inflated rally numbers, paid protesters, and AI-generated social media campaigns, questioning the authenticity of public sentiment. Rogan expresses hope that platforms like X can combat bots, but acknowledges the challenge as AI grows more sophisticated. The gaslighting of populations—whether through climate debates, political narratives, or media bia are a big issue, but it is one that those of in the west are increasingly aware of…which is a start

Compassion and Solutions for a Broken System:

Despite the bleakness, the episode offers glimmers of compassion and practical solutions. Rogan advocates for reducing “losers” by investing in education and skills—like teaching kids carpentry to boost self-esteem—rather than letting them fall into gangs or despair. The guests share stories of teaching in deprived areas, emphasizing the need to support vulnerable populations without enabling crime or chaos. They critique both left-wing utopianism and right-wing rigidity, calling for a balanced approach that prioritizes due process, mental health care, and community.

Conclusion:

This episode of The JRE was a bit of a rollercoaster. It was a slow build, as the first hour was really Rogan on a soapbox. Maybe its British sensibility or something, but both Francis and Konstantin seemed passive and Rogan just filled the space. As time went on, Francis - to our surprise - started filling in with a lot anecdotes about his time teaching or otherwise and the conversation hit a better flow. In general though, there was a lot covered, but nothing deeply, no major announcements and despite the fact that we like all three hosts, a serious question…why are we listening?

THE PODSCORE: 3 (out of 5) MICS

Joe meets with Ian Carroll, an independent researcher and entrepreneur. He has recently exploded onto the podcast scene in a very short period of time due primarily to his heavy, heavy focus on conspiracy theories. He examines historical political mysteries, including JFK's assassination and intricate ties to the MKUltra program, among many, many others. He also focuses on current conspiracies and fears like quantum computing's implications for privacy and sensational claims around Disney and Epstein, for example.

Conspiracy Theories and Historical Events:

Joe Rogan and Ian Carroll spend considerable time dissecting conspiracy theories tied to major historical events, with a particular focus on the assassination of John F. Kennedy and Jeffrey Epstein’s death. They dive into the Zapruder film, a pivotal piece of evidence in the JFK case, where Carroll brings up theories that certain frames might have been removed to obscure what really happened. Rogan points to the head movement and spray pattern in the footage, arguing it doesn’t align with the official single shooter narrative pushed by the Warren Commission. He vividly describes the physics of the shot, suggesting it implies a second gunman. They also touch on the Oklahoma City bombing, with Carroll questioning the tidy official story about Timothy McVeigh acting alone, hinting at possible government involvement or coverups. The explosion in alternative media and the victory of free speech means that mainstream media can no longer contain the messy details. He references whistleblower David Lifton’s findings from the Warren Commission as an example of evidence that contradicts the public narrative. There is so much covered on dozens of conspiracies that we can’t cover them all but the pace at which they banter is shocking. These guys never took a breathe, bouncing from one conspiracy to the next and connecting them.

The Importance of Research and Primary Sources:

Carroll talks A LOT about the value of rigorous research and sticking to primary sources, which he champions as essential for cutting through misinformation. He shares how he tackled One Nation Under Blackmail, a dense book about Epstein’s world, explaining that he read it multiple times to unpack its layers of detail—something he says is necessary for grasping complex, hidden histories. Rogan nods along, adding that this kind of dedication isn’t just work; it’s a passion that becomes a daily habit. They discuss how too many people settle for secondhand takes from news outlets or social media, with Carroll urging listeners to dig into original documents themselves, like court records or declassified files. He warns that without some detailed level of effort, you’re at the mercy of someone else’s spin. Rogan ties it back to podcasting, noting that their ability to offer unfiltered takes depends on this groundwork. There is a grind behind gaining credibility but without it, you are just another mouthpiece.

Organized Crime and Power Structures:

Tied closely to many of these conspiracies is organized crime and clandestine operations and their entanglement with power. For example, Carroll argues that Jeffrey Epstein wasn’t just a lone predator but part of a sprawling network where many of his high-profile associates weren’t coerced—they were eager players in the game. He paints a picture of a system where blackmail and illicit favors grease the wheels of influence. Rogan jumps in with a historical parallel, citing Jimmy Savile, the British TV star who hid his crimes in plain sight, to show how predators often thrive in elite circles. They toss around ideas about how these networks stay under wraps, with Carroll suggesting that those in authority—politicians, law enforcement—sometimes shield them for mutual benefit. Rogan recalls Epstein’s suspiciously lax treatment by the legal system, like his cushy jail deal in 2008, as evidence of protection from above. This theme peels back layers of power, revealing a murky world where crime and authority blur together.

Free Speech and Censorship:

Free speech is a rallying cry in this episode, with Rogan and Carroll fiercely defending open dialogue against a backdrop of growing censorship. They vent about how social media giants and governments clamp down on controversial topics, shaping and censoring many narratives. Carroll points out that in the past (and still today) their discussion of Epstein or JFK would likely get flagged or buried on X or YouTube under vague “misinformation” labels. They argue that this suppression makes it harder to sift fact from fiction, especially on touchy subjects like conspiracy theories. Rogan doubles down, saying podcasts are one of the last bastions for raw, unscripted exchange—a point Carroll reinforces by noting how mainstream outlets dodge these topics entirely.

The Role of Passion in Podcasting and Journalism:

The episode wraps up with a heartfelt look at what drives their work: passion. Carroll reflects on podcasting as more than a gig—it’s a daily grind that demands real love for the craft. He admits it can wear you down if you’re not all in, sharing how his own drive to unearth hidden stories keeps him going. Rogan agrees, stressing that genuine interest is the fuel for churning out content that’s both gripping and solid. They swap notes on how this passion shapes their storytelling, with Carroll saying it’s what turns raw data—like Epstein’s flight logs—into narratives that hit home. Rogan adds that without it, you’re just phoning it in, and listeners can tell. They frame it as a blueprint for journalism too: dig deep, care hard, and the quality follows. This theme celebrates the fire behind their microphones and the payoff of relentless curiosity.

This episode of Rogan makes your headspin as they bounce from conspiracy to conspiracy. Carroll knows details, source material, details around writers, journalists and public officials down to granular detail. They question is, how much of what he thinks he knows…is actually true. Consider this episode caloric, but maybe a lot of Cheetos and not a lot of broccoli.

THE PODSCORE: 4 (out of 5) MICS.

Joe Rogan hosts Elon Musk and they hit on it all! These guys always put on a show and this episode is no different. We have no idea where Elon finds the time for all of this, but here we go... The duo cover a whirlwind of topics including the necessity of multi-planetary colonization to safeguard humanity and the future of AI development. Musk humorously critiques the relationship between beauty, social media, and success, while contemplating the implications of advanced propulsion technologies and UAPs. Musk also addresses the complexities surrounding government accountability (USAID and DOGE, most notably) and public perception in media narratives, emphasizing the ethical dilemmas in political and financial systems. This is a fascinating listen. The closer Musk gets to politics, the more interesting these chats become.

Government Inefficiency and Reform

After spending the first few minutes playing with voice-powered “naughty” Grok, they get down to business. The first theme of the episode focused on DOGE. Musk comes out swinging and lambasts the pervasive inefficiency and corruption within the U.S. government. He reveals startling discoveries, such as billions in untraceable payments and millions of fraudulent Social Security records, describing the government as a “graft machine” resistant to change. One of the most stark examples of this that Musk talks about are the NGO’s which have funneled billions right into benefactor’s pockets. There is so much more detail to come. Musk argues that this type of fraud threatens democracy, directly. The conversation underscores the difficulty of reforming such a massive bureaucracy and the urgent need for transparency and accountability to restore public trust. A parting thought on this topic - Musk says that the government can save $100 billion dollars per years just by accounting for WHERE payments are going. The battle is on. Keep going DOGE.

“We are not a threat democracy…we are a threat to bureaucracy!” - Elon Musk

Media, Free Speech, and Polarization

The discussion pivots to the role of mainstream media in spreading misinformation, with Musk and Rogan criticizing outlets for distorting reality, such as baselessly labeling Musk a “Nazi” during his speech and the inauguration celebration. That was so bogus, by the way. This reviewer saw it live and if you don’t get the context of what he was doing there, sorry you are part of the problem! In the case of DOGE, the MSM has latched onto anecdotal stories of aid cuts here and there and access that DOGE has to certain personal information. Musk and Rogan point out, rightly, that the MSM won’t tell you anything about the graft or where DOGE is wrong in the line-item analysis of budgets. We are seeing this same opinion everywhere on social media. The MSM is deaf and dying. So, obviously, they highlight the importance of platforms like X (and Rumble), which Musk sees as a crucial bastions of free speech amidst growing societal censorship and polarization. This polarization, driven by tribalism and what Musk calls “weaponized empathy,” is a big issue, with the warning that it could destabilize civilization if unchecked.

Space Exploration and Humanity’s Future

The conversation veered further away from politics when space came up. Musk details SpaceX’s progress in reusable rocket technology and the mission to colonize Mars. He presents Space X’s mission as a safeguard against Earth’s vulnerabilities—natural disasters like asteroids or human threats like nuclear war—emphasizing the technical hurdles, such as durable spacecraft heat shields. Musk, as he does, reminds us that humans are going to have to be inter-planetary species over the long term and there is no time like the present to get more serious about it.

Artificial Intelligence: Promise and Peril

Artificial intelligence (AI) emerges as a double-edged sword, with Musk discussing its potential to solve complex problems and its dangers if mismanaged. He introduces his AI project, Grok, designed for truth-seeking, contrasting it with “woke” AIs like Google’s Gemini. However, Musk warns of AI’s existential risks, predicting that by 2029-2030, it could surpass all human intelligence combined. The conversation weighs the revolutionary possibilities of AI against the catastrophic outcomes of its misuse, urging careful stewardship of this transformative technology.

Personal Risks and Societal Stakes

The podcast takes a personal turn as Musk reflects on the threats he faces, including assassination risks tied to his public profile and political stance. He discusses the societal divide that vilifies him. He used to be a darling of the left, people want to shoot him and blow up Tesla dealerships. We live in fickle world.

Just watch it. You’ll enjoy it.

THE PODSCORE: 5 (of 5) MICS

Joe chats with Chase Hughes, an expert in influence and human behavior and author of notable works, who shares his insights on the psychology behind manipulation and social media dynamics. He discusses how societal narratives create beliefs and the emotional strategies used by platforms to engage users. Hughes also examines cult influences and the psychological tactics of persuasion, revealing how these can be repurposed for positive change. The conversation highlights the dark legacies of psychological operations and the complex dynamics of modern advertising that manipulate consumer behavior.

The podcast begins with Hughes sharing his personal battle with temporal lobe epilepsy and temporal sclerosis, conditions that surfaced after his military retirement. These neurological issues caused seizures and memory loss. He faced these challenges while transitioning to civilian life. Initially prescribed medications that listed seizures as a side effect—an ironic and frustrating proposition—he rejected them and sought alternatives. His research led him to methylene blue, a compound dating back to the 1890s, known for its neuroprotective qualities. With a background in neuroscience from Harvard and Duke, he explored its mechanism: methylene blue donates electrons to neuronal mitochondria, enhancing ATP production and reducing damaging free radicals. Taking 1-2 mg/kg daily, he experienced a cessation of seizures and improved cognition with minimal side effects, like temporary blue urine. This was a pretty wild story, right off the bat but speaks to Hughes’ obsession with understanding the human brain. He later mentioned that he had a seizure the day before the podcast because he hadn’t taken methylene blue in three days. Do your own due diligence!

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Hughes’ obsession with neuroscience and behavioral science started when he was young. He tells a funny story about how he was rejected by a girl while on his army base in Hawaii and that led him down a rabbit hole of trying understand human behavior. Why did she reject me, he thought. This curiosity matured into a career training military and government personnel in behavior modification and persuasion tactics. His expertise lies in identifying behavioral patterns to predict and influence actions. He explains that adult behavior, particularly in high-stakes or conflict situations, often mirrors childhood responses to needs like safety, friendship, and rewards. This foundational understanding of how early experiences shape lifelong decision-making and interactions is key to his work.

While understanding childhood responses is helpful in understanding behavior, Hughes take us much deeper into the art of persuasion based on human understanding. All groups - cults, governments, or marketers—manipulate behavior through identity alignment and social proof. He describes a technique where individuals are prompted to affirm an identity (e.g., “Are you someone who stands up for what’s right?”), locking them into predictable actions consistent with that self-image. To illustrate, he references the Milgram experiment, where participants obeyed authority to deliver perceived electric shocks, and the Asch conformity experiment, where group pressure swayed individuals to agree with incorrect answers. These studies reveal how external forces—authority figures or peer consensus—can override personal ethics or logic. These were really eerie stories.

So, understanding that there are childhood reaction behaviors that persist and understanding that there are groups which can great influence an individual are foundational Hughes then outlines six social needs—significance, acceptance, approval, intelligence, pity, and strength—that drive human interactions. He cites a few examples; someone boasting about accomplishments might crave significance, while another seeking sympathy might prioritize pity. By identifying these expressed needs, one can tailor communication to influence outcomes, a method he’s applied in intelligence work, sales, and coaching. This dual approach—patterns and needs—forms a powerful tool for understanding and directing behavior.

“ If believe you can’t be persuaded by these things…you are a suggestible person”

- Chase Hughes

As a certified hypnotist, Hughes explores hypnosis as a method to bypass conscious resistance and reprogram behavior. He details techniques like fractionation—cycling emotional states to deepen trance—and micro-compliances, small agreements that build subconscious buy-in. Hypnosis has positive applications, such as enhancing athletic performance (e.g., crafting an alter ego for a fighter inspired by Roy Jones Jr.), but also darker potential, like mind control in unethical hands. He notes that suggestibility varies: highly suggestible individuals tend to be open and content but more manipulable. One of the most fascinating conspiracy theories (that we’ve heard before) came up during this part of the podcast - and that of course, is the idea that Sirhan Sirhan was under some type of hypnosis or mind-control when he killed RFK in 1968. Sirhan Sirhan still claims that he has no memory of the assassination.

The discussion turns to technology’s role in shaping perceptions, with a focus on social media’s manipulative power. Hughes contends that algorithms exploit human psychology by amplifying fringe ideas, making them seem mainstream through novelty, authority, and emotional triggers. He introduces “tribal confusion,” where curated content distorts reality, and notes the mammalian brain—unchanged for 200,000 years—struggles to adapt to this rapid manipulation. Techniques like fractionation, alternating positive and negative stimuli, heighten suggestibility, while bots and artificial engagement further skew perceptions. This creates an environment where users are unknowingly nudged toward specific beliefs or actions.

The podcast wraps up with an analysis of psychological operations (PSYOPs), using the COVID-19 pandemic as a real-world example. Hughes identifies hallmarks of a textbook PSYOP: silencing dissent (e.g., censoring doctors questioning official narratives) and public shaming (e.g., media vilifying the unvaccinated). He argues that these tactics—rooted in fear, authority, and tribal division—manipulated public opinion by suppressing credible opposition and amplifying unified messaging. This approach eroded trust and transparency, illustrating how PSYOPs leverage group dynamics to control narratives. He urges awareness of these strategies as a defense against such influence, drawing a sobering parallel to historical propaganda efforts.

Chase is a little dry and this one is a better watch than a listen. None-the-less, the content is rich…particularly if you haven’t heard him before.

THE PODSCORE 4 (out of 5) MICS.

Joe sits again with Mike Baker, a former CIA covert operations officer and CEO of Portman Square Group, shares his insights on a wide range of pressing topics. He critiques government funding priorities, calling for transparency and accountability. The discussion touches on the ethical dilemmas surrounding cryptocurrency, gambling, and public perceptions of wealth. Baker humorously contrasts leadership personality types and examines the geopolitical complexities of the Israel-Palestine conflict. He also addresses misconceptions about Social Security and navigates the intricate dynamics of U.S. foreign policy.

Baker is always a good Joe Rogan listen; this time was no different, even if retreading some familiar ground. Their conversations are usually fluid and seamlessly bounce from topic to topic. Baker recently went on a camel trek across the desert in Saudi Arabia and made a point to mention that while they were recruiting corporate sponsors they ran into a couple of corporate reps that were a little concerned about sponsoring “five white” guys. Absurd. Baker made the point that the trek was a for a UK non-profit benefiting injured British service members. This prompted a brief discussion around DEI, which the duo agreed is in its waning days.

They turned their attention to DOGE. Rogan made the point that what the DOGE crew is doing is similar to what Clinton did in the 90s…cutting to balance the budget. Both were astonished, and so are we, that the government could NOT account for 4.7 trillion in payments over the past decades or so. The explanation so far is that there was a field in the federal government’s payment entry systems that was not required to account for where the funds were sent. The federal government cannot account for 4.7 TRILLION in spending. We’ve seen this information going around but to hear these two discuss it, its really an absurdity beyond comprehension. The mainstream media is barely discussing it and when they are its about the “so-called” damage that the cuts are causing.

“The Head of The Munich Security Council Literally Cried!”

There was a nice chat about 45 minutes in where Baker lauded JD Vance’s recent speech in Munich where he lambasted EU members for stifling free speech and woke politics. Vance’s speech took place only weeks before elections in Germany (later this month) where the Christian Conservatives are widely predicted to win. As has been widely reported, this was NOT what the crowd at the Munich Council expected. They were hoping to hear more about how to stop Putin in Ukraine. They didn’t get it.

Baker also had a hot take on the Trump “taking control of Gaza” idea and admitted that such a move isn’t going to happen, but he did praise the administration for moving the ball forward. According to Baker, other Middle Eastern nations are starting to step into the conversation as potential solution-makers. The discussion around Israel and Gaza continued for a bit with Baker disavowing the death and size of the Israeli response but with an understanding of why they did what they did. The key to peace however, he says, lives in Tehran.

As Joe ever-so-slightly pushed back on Baker’s Gaza take, the two moved into a discussion about financial and corporate influence in geopolitics. Baker makes the point that in the “real world” we have to do some of this (interference and influence)…”that’s how it works”. He also thinks that there is some use for USAID but it should, in fact, live under the state department and stop non-critical programs / spending.

On the heels of a discussion on social security and DOGE Rogan shared a clip from a Missouri radio program in 2017 where, ostensibly, a government worker explained that immigrants are encouraged to apply for disability to stay in the country. It was an unsubstantiated clip but interesting none-the-less…particularly if there is any truth in such behavior actually happening.

The show ended with a dive into conspiracy as the duo got excited for the further release of confidential government files (JFK, MLK, RFK, etc). Baker has long said that the MLK murder was “fishy”. Interestingly, Baker claims that the King family doesn’t really want the rest of the files released because, potentially, of some embarrassing elements of MLK’s “lifestyle”. Baker thinks that James Earl Ray is an incredibly interesting case study. He was a failed petty thief that went off the radar and after the shooting he ended up buying a Mustang and going to Belgium. It’s just too strange. Anyway, a fascinating end to a rather well-rounded but not ground-breaking discussion.

THE PODSCORE: 3 (out of 5) MICS

Joe chats with Mike Benz, former U.S. State Department official and Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online, delves into the intricate ties between U.S. foreign policy and free speech. He critiques how agencies like USAID manipulate narratives and influence media access. The discussion highlights the dangers of AI in censorship, the ethical implications of covert operations, and how music serves as a tool for political agendas. Benz emphasizes the urgent need for transparency in governance and the challenges facing free speech in today's digital landscape.

This is now our THIRD Mike Benz podcast review in a week, but when he sat down with Joe Rogan, we had to be there. It was interesting to hear some of his backstory, which this reviewer hadn’t heard. Benz has been hyper focused on internet censorship and bouncing around this USAID issue since 2016! He now sees his responsibility is to teach the “anatomy of organ” on the body that is being operated on (the US). So, we like that he’s not just celebrating in this moment of DOGE-driven reveals, but trying to ensure people understand what is happening in such a way that we collectively can demand reform. The institutions in question still serve needs we have in international politics but his point is that they can better serve the true interest of the American people.

“We Are Doing Open Heart Surgery on the Body of the American Empire!”

Benz reminds us that we completely reorganized our international intervention coordination apparatus when DOGE and the Trump administration started gutting USAID. As a reminder, USAID sits in the middle of DOD, CIA and the State Department. Below is a graphic from Benz to show this relationship.

So, with that reminder in place, and some of Benz’s background out of the way, we were curious to see what new or enhanced information Benz had to share with the most listened to podcaster in the world after making the rounds with Shawn Ryan and Tucker Carlson. He wraps up the introduction by again stating that he believes there can be a future for soft power in a more moral and effective way by allowing for more civil and criminal lawsuits, as well as reorganization and more transparency. Joe makes the point that people are very upset because you have people getting cut off from FEMA funds or struggling to make it day to day, and we are wasting all this money all over the world. Benz then launches into the founding of political warfare, including the 1948 Italian election which the US started its “whole of government” international coercion operation to ward of the Soviets.

This is a story he’s told before, but Joe gave it room to breathe and build. Benz is clear that the government knew Americans wouldn’t “like” some of this activity even when the CIA was founded, so it needed to be hidden. However, with the Cold War looming, a type of clandestine activity was completely necessary, but what was also necessary was to protect the American people. So, the Smith - Mundt Act was passed in 1948 which, in part, protected Americans from some of the coercion methods that were allowed overseas. The Obama Administration updated the Smith-Mundt Act in 2013 to remove some protections and specifically allow, for example, media organizations that are used for propaganda and “hit pieces” to make their content available within the United States. One such of example of domestic intervention that impacted nearly all Americans, was the global effort to choke off of ad dollars of US-based Publishers where there was information deemed to be “mis/dis/mal-information”. Think Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc. So, effectively USAID was funding censorship and assault on US companies. Twitter (X) has filed a lawsuit on this matter already.

One of the most fascinating discussions took place when Benz outlined he strong arm of US AID as it related to Biden and a $1 billion dollar loan guarantee to Ukraine late in the Obama Years. Benz showed a clip of Joe Biden bragging about getting a prosecutor fired in Ukraine in return for the loan. Years later we see that there was plenty of connection to that prosecutor, Burisma (Ukranian energy company) and Hunter Biden. That’s a whole other podcast. Hopefully most of you know the story.

The conversation also turned to COVID. Specifically, Benz brought up USAID’s funding of the “Rooted in Trust” program funded by Internews and USAID. Rooted in Trust was meant to combat “mis/disinformation related to COVID. According to Benz it became part of a global censorship tool. Joe, of course, began to ask the question about all of COVID being a government operation, since US funding is evident up and down the sequence of events tied to COVID, including the gain of function research and the media washing of its origin. Benz didn’t really bite on the whole idea that COVID was released intentionally, but did suggest there is precedent (Pearl Harbor, etc). Joe will always jump on a COVID angle, so it created some good listening.

Benz fully detailed the Zunzuneo / Hummingbird Operation in Cuba during the Obama Administration. This operation featured the founding of a social media platform funded by USAID meant to foment revolution in Cuba. He then transitioned into the US funding of terrorists in the middle east to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In the same vane, USAID has also been tied to militants in Afghanistan, and actively supporting poppy production in that country going back to the ‘80s.

“You Park it at USAID and you Don’t Have to Tell the President What the Military is Really Doing!”

While there are geo-political benefits to some of these activities, maybe, Benz also makes the point many corporations have benefited from USAID. However, Benz argues that the world is more global now, so how many AMERICANS actually benefit from some of the activity that USAID funds? It was one thing when most US companies had the majority of their staff in the US and we were fighting the Soviets to preserve a way of life, but who benefits really if there is some revolution in a far off land…the US people broadly or smaller cohorts like corporations? It was a compelling question and a foundational question as we think about how to move forward.

Sticking on the softer power side of things, Benz revealed some information we hadn’t heard in any detail previously…USAID has infiltrated the music industry! Benz gives the example of Dua Lipa calling out human rights abuses in the Balkans and being given an award by the USAID-funded Atlantic Council for backing their preferred candidate. So, he posited, followers of Dua Lipa world-wide and obviously in the US largely fell in line with the position. Then Benz touched the third-rail, he even speculated that none other than TAYLOR SWIFT, who was highlighted as a potential vehicle for spreading messages on NATO, might be an asset. While Swift is not he confirmed, he then made the point that South-By-Southwest is now funded in large part by the military. He was adamant that there are plenty of “assets” in the music industry influencing foreigners AND US citizens, and even if we can’t confirm Swift for sure, Benz is sure the government would love to have her. They say so themselves.

This three and one-half hour marathon podcast wound down with a discussion about the US demanding that Poland ARREST political opposition to receive USAID. Benz was fired up about this one! He took us through some detail on the appointment of judges, and the Polish government disallowing mail-in voting at the behest of the US (in the US they pushed mail-in voting in the United States)! Populism as a viable political movement in Poland needed to be stamped out and this is how the US did it - through the judiciary in that country. Benz then went through this fascinating exercise where he had Jamie type in “USAID Judicial Reform”. Dozens of countries came up in the search results where USAID was involved. Examples of the countries found in the results were Serbia, Congo, Uzbekastan, Albania, El Salvador, Ukraine, Georgia, various countries in Central America.

“It’s the Same Truman Show Everywhere We Go!”

Lastly, Benz got to a story about Brazil which was in the news not long ago. USAID played a significant role in trying to undermine Jair Bolsonaro by way of an entity called CEPPS which worked with the Brazilian judiciary to govern “censorship”. Remember, X was banned in Brazil until agreeing to some concessions.

In the end, we left this podcast exhausted. As we’ve said, Benz did both Ryan and Rogan yesterday…that’s six hours. Both shows were fantastic with some cross over but also different stories on each. Rogan probably said 10% over the words said during this podcast…maybe 5%. Benz was just on a role. At the end of the episode the comment Rogan made that stood out the most was very simple “It’s so overwhelming…”. It is. Mike Benz is correct calling this a Truman Show. Watch that movie if you haven’t. Also, listen to this podcast.

THE PODSCORE 5 (out of 5) MICS

Joe interviews Bret Weinstein, an evolutionary biologist and co-host of "The DarkHorse Podcast," dives into various compelling topics. He critiques media narratives around governance and corruption (USAID is discussed in depth, as are NGO's), emphasizing the need for transparency. The discussion shifts to the complexities of financial influence in politics and the importance of independent journalism. Weinstein also challenges traditional views on evolution, proposing a nuanced understanding of adaptability. Plus, he humorously tackles the UFO phenomenon, examining society's fascination and skepticism about extraterrestrial life.

The Good: The podcast kicks off with Rogan and Weinstein railing against the corruption that is being exposed daily by way of DOGE investigations. They talked about charging stations and DEI and other programs linked to USAID and grift (like funding Politico and The NY Times). The exposed corruption threatens to upend the Democratic party and Federal government. The first 45 minutes is a celebration by two guys that have been reliably postulating about the grift and corruption for a while and the elation (despite the reality) was palpable. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...must be a duck. The corruption in Medicare and Medicaid is up next and both expect big grift to be found there.

The pair then rail on the pharmaceutical industry and the way that they corrupt Congress and other elements of government. Sanders and Warren were examples of this form of influence. Weinstein shines whenever the COVID topic comes up, and has for years.

There was a great discussion on how X changed the narrative in the country to once again allow free speech and liberate other social platforms.

The back half of the conversation hit on Brett's area of specialization (biology) and there was an interesting discussion on modern naturalism and the limitations of Darwinism. The development of enhanced human cognition was discussed in this context and was relatively interesting. The close by discussing AI and humility in scientific discovery.

The Bad: We'd have a loved a more detailed overview of the US AID corruption and Joe misspoke on the charging station waste number...overstated it. The fireworks are in the first hour, but the second hour is worth a listen if you have even a passing interest in evolution and AI

"The Evolution of X set the stage for this election"

"We WERE living in a bad movie!"

THE POD SCORE: 4 Mics (of 5)

There was a great discussion on how X changed the narrative in the country to once again allow free speech and liberate other social platforms.

"The Evolution of X set the stage for this election"

"We WERE living in a bad movie!"

THE POD SCORE: 4 Mics (of 5)

Joe interviews Dan Richards, an independent researcher known for his YouTube channel "DeDunking the Past," dives deep into the mysteries surrounding lost civilizations and alternative history. He discusses the enigmatic Ark of the Covenant and its possible ancient technology, suggesting it might have been an electrical device. The conversation also explores the construction of the pyramids, challenging conventional theories, and highlights the allure of ancient artifacts and extraterrestrial theories, urging for a more open-minded scientific approach.

The Good: Joe and Dan start off talking about the Ark and speculate that it sits in a church in Ethiopia. We learn something that this reviewer didn't know but seems like it’s common knowledge According to Dan and Ethiopian Orthodox tradition, the Ark of the Covenant is currently located in the city of Aksum, Ethiopia, where it is believed to be kept within the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion, guarded by a select group of monks; this belief stems from a legend that the Ark was brought to Ethiopia by Menelik, the son of Queen Sheba and King Solomon.

From there they transition to talking about lost technology more broadly including the creation of the pyramids (did slaves build it really?), the mass extinction event (lots of bones near the East River?), ancient civilizations broadly. and the "Baghdad Battery" aka a clay pot that conducts electricity. It's a wide-ranging conversation that hits on all of that plus ...ALIENS. Lastly, if you don't know what Bimini Road is...look it up.

The Bad: Dan has been on Rogan before and is a fun guest. He's an electrician by trade but has his fingers in histories and science in a unique way. Part of his appeal is that he looks like...your electrician and if you don't like electricians, or you are an elitist prick...then you may not believe him. That being said...we can't tell you what to believe but while no doubt Dan doesn't have all the answers, he raises interesting questions.

THE POD SCORE: 4 Mics (of 5)

"Scientists Are Fucking Weird!"

Joe interviews Gad Saad, a Visiting Professor at Northwood University and expert in evolutionary psychology, shares fascinating insights on how media exposure is transforming childhood innocence. He debates the implications of cognitive dissonance in political discourse, and explores decision-making complexities influenced by emotional states. Gad critiques modern art for its departure from tradition and examines the intersection of evolutionary theory with diet and health. The conversation also touches on the future of AI and its societal impacts, making for an engaging dialogue on modern challenges..

The Good: Gad is always an interesting guest - known recently - for his predictions on the COVID response but he has all new topics to discuss. Here are a few of the iinteresting topics he covers that caught our attention...

- People form mental gymnastics to keep things consistent in their mind.

- Alot of research is bias by default because null effect studies are never published. Terrifying.

- Most intellectuals stay in their lane. They are generally not curious beyond their remit.

- Gad aspires to build the consilience insitute to unify knowledge across disciplines by creating links / trees of knowledge.

- There is a misalignment between what was evolutionary adaptive historically and maladaptive now...the classic over eating hunter gather issue.

- Our egos over protect our ideas.

The Bad: Joe seemed off his game today. Slow to respond and seemingly eager to let Gad to just run with it, maybe in not the worst thing. Not a lot of laughs in this episode but Saad brings his cerebral heat and even a couple of curse words like..."bullshit". Give it a listen.

THE POD SCORE: 3.5 Mics (of 5)

"The number one thing that dissapoints me in my fellow academics...is how non-intellectual they are." - Gad Saad.

Joe interviews Lex Fridman, a computer scientist and AI researcher, he shares intriguing insights on space travel and the implications of human life beyond Earth. The conversation humorously explores living conditions on Mars and the societal dynamics that could emerge. They also delve into the complexities of leadership in modern warfare, reflecting on historical narratives from Genghis Khan to Ukraine. Lex discusses the balance of technology, diplomacy, and the ethical responsibilities of communicating in crises, illuminating the challenges of navigating our geopolitical landscape.

The Good: The episode starts off with Jamie posing the question about ejaculating in space! But things quickly turn serious on the historical context of Genghis Kahn and rape and exposed a temporary rift between Joe and Lex that was fascinating to watch. Admittedly, this reviewer doesn't go deep in a historical understanding of the Mongols, but these guys go fairly deep on it and Joe and Lex tidy up their rift later on in the episode. Additionally, they discuss Tigers ripping a human apart, brainiacs getting laid and then more meaningful discussion on space travel, technology and warefare. Early in the episode and periodically thereafter, Lex highlights some of recent discussion with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The Bad: The rift between Joe and Lex in the first fifteen minutes about rape and Genghis Kahn was odd. Lex seemed to repeatedly imply that Kahn is disrespected and misunderstood and there was the strange rift over Mongol rapes (that got cleared up later). It really seemed in the first 30 minutes that the two were going to keep things awkward but credit to Lex for coming back around about an hour in and acknowleding that he wasn't getting his points across clearly in the beginning. They rolled from there.

THE POD SCORE: 3.5 Mics (of 5)

"This is the third chance to make peace".. (in Ukraine) "I will be traveling to Russia to interview Putin"- Lex Fridman

Bryan Callen, an actor and comedian known for his roles in film and as a podcaster, dives into a range topics with Joe Rogan. He shares some funny anecdotes about marriage and parenting, critiques government inefficiencies, and reflects on the impact of wildfires on communities. The discussion also explores masculinity, emotional resilience, and the complexities of aging in today's digital age. Callen offers insights into the comedy scene's evolution and the gritty realities of media credibility, blending humor with deep societal observations.

"The reason hollywood is in LA is because it doesn't fucking rain". These fires have nothing to do with climate change!

The Good: It's always fun when Rogan brings on his comedy buddies as the conversation often veers into familiar terrritory like current events, pool, MMA, martial arts, and of course the comedy seen. Rogan and Callen cover all of that update us all on their latest takes on wokeness and the LA fires. Decent listening with a few laughs, but not many.

The Bad: There really was no new ground covered here and while the conversation was fluid and topical, there was no new ground really covered.

THE POD SCORE: 2.5 Mics (of 5)

Mark Zuckerberg dives deep into the complexities of content moderation on social media. He discusses the challenges of misinformation and censorship, especially during pivotal moments like the 2016 election and the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation also touches on the delicate balance between free speech and user safety, the importance of online anonymity, and the future of technology with AI and VR innovations. He shares insights on the evolving role of social media in shaping public discourse and the responsibilities that come with it.

"People Started Pushing For Ideological Based Sensorship...Inside the Biden Administration"

The Good: Zuckerberg gives a pretty unfiltered account of the Biden administration's profanity-laden attempts to muscle Meta into submission. During COVID they were persistently demanding that Meta remove any posts related to vaccine side - effects. Later in the episode, there is a good conversation on the future of AI...Zuckerberg pretty non-chalant about the risks.

The Bad: Zuckerberg has just never really seemed geniune to me but one of Rogan's superpowers is that he seems to bring authenticity out of even the most rigid. Long section in the middle about UFC - kinda of snorish and Zuckerberg should probably take Rogan's advice on the injuries an so forth, but who cares.

THE POD SCORE: 3.5 Mics (of 5)

"People Started Pushing For Ideological Based Sensorship...Inside the Biden Administration"

THE POD SCORE: 3.5 Mics (of 5)

Mel Gibson discusses his upcoming film 'Flight Risk'. He shares insights on chronic pain and how it intertwines with mental clarity, alongside reflections on resilience in the face of societal challenges like wildfires. Gibson draws parallels between modern California and historical civilizations like the Maya, emphasizing the fragility of societies. The conversation delves into spirituality in addiction recovery and the complexities of filmmaking, including subtitled works and the emotional depth they bring.

"It's Just Unbelievable That Society Can Crumble That Quickly."

The Good: Listening to how mundance moments - like wondering what the Vikings sounded like, spark inspiration for Gibson. Gibson had strong words against the political class and the mishandling of the LA fires. He also opened up on his brain damage...really.

The Bad: If you have ever watched a Mel Gibson interview (or Movie I guess) you might know his physical gyrations are very cocaine-ish. Awkward to watch.

THE POD SCORE: 3.5 Mics (of 5)

Rick Perry, the 47th governor of Texas and former secretary of Energy, joins W. Bryan Hubbard, the first Chairman of the Kentucky Opioid Commission and a key advocate for Ibogaine research. They dive into the Kentucky Ibogaine Initiative to tackle the opioid crisis, discussing its potential benefits for veterans facing PTSD and addiction. The duo shares insights on the need for more clinical trials and legislative support for Ibogaine treatment. Their conversation highlights both personal experiences and the transformative power of plant medicine in mental health care.

"Ibogaine Is The Most Sophisticated Medication on the Planet!"

PODLAND SCORE: 3.5 (of 5) STARS.

Positive marks for interest. Here is a link to the Stanford Study

Negative marks for presentation. Perry is 100% boring and who the F is this Hubbard dude. None-the-less, he's on point and this is a must-listen for anyone that knows someone with Opiod or Meth addiction, among others.

Episode #2244: Ryan Graves, a former U.S. Navy pilot and first Chair of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Community, shares his groundbreaking insights on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. He discusses the growing occurrences of unexplained aerial sightings and the challenges they pose for national security. Graves highlights the complexities of drone detection, the implications of advanced technologies like quantum computing, and advocates for government transparency in UAP investigations. Engaging stories from pilots further underline the urgent need for credible dialogue about extraterrestrial encounters.

"The Scariest One I've Heard Is that the Drones are Looking for Gama Radiation!"

Episode # 2231: Jimmy Corsetti, an independent researcher with a YouTube channel dedicated to lost civilizations, joins Dan Richards, who delves into alternative history on his own platform. They explore the ancient engineering techniques behind monumental structures like the pyramids and Baalbek, challenging traditional archaeological views. The discussion also touches on the Gobekli Tepe enigma, linking its artifacts to broader insights about human prehistory. Additionally, they scrutinize the complexities of climate change and the politics surrounding pandemic narratives, advocating for a more nuanced understanding of history and science.

"We Are In a Cooling Cycle"...According to the Washington Post??? - Joe Rogan

Poles are shifting. The Earth's Ocean Currents Could Stop!!!